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Do the Guinness People Know About This?

Posted in Memory by Andy Hall on February 10, 2016

One of my readers brings this to my attention:

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This line was interesting:

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This month, the Robert E. Lee Camp 1640, Sons of Confederate Veterans salutes the thousands of Black Confederate Soldiers, both living and deceased, who have bravely served the cause.

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“Living” black Confederate soldiers? Do tell.

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  1. Andy Hall said, on February 10, 2016 at 6:18 pm

    I should probably add that the camp has posted that same “both living and deceased” line six separate times in the past week or so. It’s not a one-off goof.

  2. woodrowfan said, on February 10, 2016 at 7:41 pm

    wait, they claim 114,00 black Confederate troops died in the war??

    • Andy Hall said, on February 10, 2016 at 7:49 pm

      That’s how it reads. You’re not the only one asking.

      The camp also explains the “living and deceased” line this way:

      > “Not soldiers in the traditional sense, but I’m also including modern day soldiers for truth.”

      Whatever.

      • Leo said, on February 10, 2016 at 8:12 pm

        Priceless!

        • Andy Hall said, on February 10, 2016 at 8:45 pm

          “Black Confederate Soldiers”

          So, “Confederate” doesn’t mean someone who lived in the 1860s, and “soldier” doesn’t refer to actual military service.

          God only knows what “black” means.

          • bob carey said, on February 12, 2016 at 8:44 am

            Andy the SCV is borrowing a line from the movie “The Ten Commandments”, where Pharaoh makes up stuff as he goes along, “let it be written,let it be law”. Does the SCV expect anyone to believe this propaganda?
            I hear tell that a fleet of transports containing 100,000 confederate volunteers recruited from the slave plantations of Brazil was on its way to save the Confederacy when the war ended. This statement makes about as much sense as the poster. LOL

            • Andy Hall said, on February 12, 2016 at 12:59 pm

              “Does the SCV expect anyone to believe this propaganda?”

              It’s all for the consumption of fellow believers. There’s no particular benefit in putting in the effort to be accurate or track down sources, and no sanction for saying something ridiculous or demonstrably untrue. The only criterion is to be “pro-South.”

  3. Leo said, on February 10, 2016 at 8:11 pm

    Those are some very old veterans. 😀

  4. Leo said, on February 10, 2016 at 11:09 pm

    I wonder if the SCV realizes they are engaging in “political correctness” with all their historical gymnastics to include “black confederate soldiers” in their ranks.

    It just boggles the mind.

  5. Nick Sacco said, on February 10, 2016 at 11:18 pm

    “Protecting Their Homes and Families From the Mostly White Yankee Army.”

    Are they trying to suggest that the Confederate military wasn’t also “mostly white”? I love these passive-aggressive assertions that have no bite and mostly leave you wondering what, exactly, the point is that they’re trying to get across.

  6. Neil Hamilton said, on February 11, 2016 at 8:10 am

    (Sigh.)

  7. Jimmy Dick said, on February 11, 2016 at 10:07 am

    The lies from the SCV just keep on coming. They don’t even care how blatant the lie is anymore. It’s all about making themselves feel good about their ancestors.

    • Andy Hall said, on February 11, 2016 at 4:56 pm

      “It’s all about making themselves feel good about their ancestors.”

      Heritage onanism.

      • woodrowfan said, on February 11, 2016 at 10:01 pm

        “Heritage onanism.” I am so stealing that for my Public History class!!!!

      • Leo said, on February 12, 2016 at 10:06 am

        I just spit my coffee on the floor.

        Never laugh with a mouth full of hot coffee. 🙂

  8. Foxessa said, on February 11, 2016 at 12:49 pm

    Good. Frackin’. Grief.

    Translation of defending homes and families in this context:

    Thousands of African American Slave Men died to protect their owners’ rights to force African American women to bear as many children to fatten the owners’ credit at the bank, as early, as often and as late as possible — and if they wouldn’t or couldn’t they would be sold away. Thousands of African American Slave men died to protect their owners’ rights to rape their mothers, sisters, wives and daughters, and to tell these same women who they could or could not have children with.

    This proves that among white supremacists there is a crippling inablilty to know what words, facts and history are.

  9. A McCaskill said, on February 15, 2016 at 10:12 am

    I like how the number of “black confederate soldiers” keeps growing. Apparently, the confederacy fielded entire armies of black soldiers.

  10. Michael Lynch said, on February 16, 2016 at 9:09 pm

    So if 114,000 black Confederate soldiers died, that would mean that black troops accounted for something like one-third of all Confederate military deaths. You’d think documentation of black Confederate soldiers would be easier to come by with numbers like that.

  11. Leo said, on February 24, 2016 at 10:00 am

    I’m sure you are aware by now that the Mississippi legislature failed to take action on the state flag.

    The Mississippi SCV and other local heritage groups are hailing this as a great victory, and they are vowing to press the issue by getting a referendum passed placing the current flag design in the state constitution. Their admitted strategy for accomplishing this goal is to sell the referendum and the flag as “racial reconciliation”, meaning we are going to be flooded with black confederate mythology. It’s sure to be a big money windfall for HK Edgerton.

    • Andy Hall said, on February 24, 2016 at 10:30 am

      Fun times. Recall that these are the same folks who now assert that Nathan Bedford Forrest was a great champion of racial equality and civil rights.

      • Leo said, on February 24, 2016 at 10:46 am

        It’s already started. The SCV had two “black confederates” (Andrew Duncomb and Arlene Barnum) from Oklahoma in state to speak for the flag.

        I don’t know much about either, but I guess those two work cheaper than HK.

        • Andy Hall said, on February 24, 2016 at 11:38 am

          I’m sure Anthony Hervey will be frequently invoked, as well.

          • Leo said, on February 24, 2016 at 7:09 pm

            I’m sure he will as well.

            I found this posted on the SCV Facebook page:

            I’m sure this is another shot in their “reconciliation plan”. Greg Stewart contacted the people at “One Flag for All – Gulf Coast” via Facebook and basically challenged them to to an information war of sorts. The “flag for all” group caught Greg lying about a rally supporting a new flag and it’s been on ever since.

            The groups working to change the flag are worried about being able to combat the misinformation sure to come about black confederates and who knows what else.

            It’s going to get ugly here.


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