Dead Confederates, A Civil War Era Blog

They Are Who You Thought They Were, No. 643

Posted in Memory by Andy Hall on March 12, 2017

Why are Confederate Heritage™ authors actively promoting their material to the anti-Semitic, Holocaust-denier crowd?

No, that’s not a rhetorical question.

It’s been a while since we heard from Valerie “LadyVal” Protopapas Hughes, or Clint Lacy, who a few years back were two of the louder online voices promoting Confederate Heritage™ issues. (Hughes was last heard from comparing freed African Americans in 1865 to six-year-old-children, while Lacy ran a now-dormant blog subtitled, “Your Voice in the Sons of Confederate Veterans” and used it to complain about how non-white drivers were ruining NASCAR.) So I was surprised to see (via a posting at SHPG) them both pop up on an almost comically-rancid anti-Semitic website, andrewcarringtonhitchcock-dot-com, hawking their recent publications in between the host’s screeds about Jews, miscegenation, and white genocide. It’s easy — too easy — these days to throw around accusations of “racism” or “anti-Semitism,” but I’m not sure what else to call a site that hosts podcasts like these:

[Examples after the break, if you really want to see them.]

  • “Our Memories Of Eustace Mullins” [an infamous Holocaust denier and author of The Biological Jew, a 1968 screed about Jews being responsible for the decline of Western Civilization.]
  • “Make America White Again – Part 1”
  • “Weather Control, Mind Control, And Climate Change”
  • “Proof Jesus Christ Was An Aryan”
  • “The Synagogue Of Satan Updated, Expanded, And Uncensored – Part 5 (1897 – The Protocols 16 To 24)

And that’s just since the beginning of February.


Lacy gave a full, hour-long interview that quickly moved beyond Lacy’s discussion of Copperheads during the Civil War, and spent most of the time in a rollicking discussion about immigration, liberals, and how they want to destroy Western Civilization. Hitchcock, author of the books The Synagogue of Satan, Satan’s Banker, and Zionist Conspiracy, repeatedly circled the conversation back to Jews and their alleged controlling hands in this supposed genocide of the whites, and I never heard Lacy express even a mild objection or disagreement to his host’s assertions. Not once.

During the latter part of Lacy’s interview, the host made an approving mention of Holocaust denier Fred Leuchter, who twenty-odd years ago gained notoriety by “proving” that concentration camp gas chambers were nothing more than showers, and that the Germans used Zyklon B merely for delousing prisoners. For those of you keeping track of such things, at the time Leuchter was represented (and defended in the media) by one Kirk D. Lyons, who’s better known today as the most prominent legal defender of Confederate iconography and as the patrón of Confederate beard H. K. Edgerton. Lacy made no objection to Hitchcock’s riff on the Holocaust.

And there was this exchange (beginning at 43:45):

Hitchcock: It does absolutely sicken me. The biggest enemy of the white race, unfortunately, seems to be the white race, Clint.

Lacy: Yeah.

Hitchcock: And I say that because you just, when you look at a lot of these protesters [after the 2012 presidential election], I’m reminded of the quote from The Jewish Paradox, Nahum Goldmann, he said, and he was President of the World Jewish Congress for over thirty years [sic.], and when he quit that, I think 1978 or ’79, it’s the book, and this is the quote. He said, “I hardly exaggerate: Jewish life consists of two elements, extracting money and protesting.” And of course, what do we see after these two major rulings they don’t like, the Brexit and the Trump victory, protests all over the place. But, yes, I’ve seen Jews in those protests, and the Jews insert themselves into having white features very well, as well. But I know for a fact that in every one of these protests there’s been white race people, completely brainwashed into this message.

Lacy: Yeah.

Hitchcock: And they seem to think that their duty is to mongrelize their race, their duty is to basically destroy their race, regardless of ideology. Surely you must realize by now that your country’s racial demographic is going more and more against the white race, and so something needs to be done in honor of your heritage and your ancestry to protect the white race. But these people. . . .

Lacy: But see, that’s the thing, they don’t have any honor and they don’t give a damn about their heritage.

Hitchcock: No.

Lacy: We call ’em “snowflakes” here.

Again, not one hint of objection to Hitchcock’s assertions about the great Jewish conspiracy racially to “mongrelize” white America. Not one word.


For her part, Hughes manages to keep her hour-long interview with Hitchcock focused on Mosby and his relationship with the press for the first half hour, before it goes spinning off into WorldNetDaily-style conspiracy theory territory, speculating about the involvement of the Bush family and the then-Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker in the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan in 1981, and Hitchcock’s mention of the “very interesting connection” that Cherie Blair, wife of former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, is allegedly a distant cousin of John Wilkes Booth. (Hitchcock does say, to be fair, that he’s not suggesting that Cherie Blair, who was born in 1954, had any direct involvement in the Lincoln assassination in 1865.) He and Hughes then immediately segue into speculation that the Lindbergh baby kidnapping and murder was a Federal Reserve plot.

Your guess is as good as mine as to why Lacy and Hughes would chose to appear on Hitchcock’s podcasts. Perhaps they will deny that they hold the same views as their host, and that may well be true. But it also doesn’t matter. What’s important is what they say and do, their words and deeds, and it this case they made it clear that whatever qualms they may have had about Hitchcock’s views, they were willing to put them aside to promote themselves and their work to his listeners.

We’ve seen this sort of thing before from the Confederate heritage crowd, that’s willing to ignore all manner of hideous ideology in people they perceive to be allies. The Virginia Flaggers have done a good bit of this, for example when they defended their embrace of rising white supremacist Matt Heimbach, saying that “we don’t get personal with other issues,” like Heimbach’s Nazi fetish. More recently they inaugurated a new battle flag to be flown on the property of Raymond Agnor, who went so far as to take out a paid newspaper advertisement warning African Americans not to come onto his property. That right — the Virginia Flaggers actually provide that dude with a giant Confederate flag to display on his property.

A while back Simpson posted about some essays written by Susan Hathaway of the Virginia Flaggers that appeared in an anti-Semitic, white nationalist newsletter. That would be embarrassing, but looking at the newsletter it’s also obvious that the guy who put it together was pulling material from all sorts of published sources, including news stories and syndicated columnists, I’m sure without their permission or knowledge. So Hathaway could plausibly claim that her essays were used without her knowledge or approval.

This thing with “LadyVal” and Clint Lacy is fundamentally different — they gave Hitchcock hour-long interviews, actively and happily participating in his rancid little podcast. Neither of them are new to the Internet, having been active, online proponents of “heritage” for years. Whatever their calculation was in deciding to participate, they were not unwitting dupes; they were active collaborators.

They are who you thought they were.




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  1. Shoshana Bee said, on March 12, 2017 at 7:50 pm

    I have had this post up on my queue all day in hopes of replying with something clever. Something that my dad(ז״ל) used to say describes it best: Hate is a coat of many colors. Indeed.

  2. OhioGuy said, on March 12, 2017 at 8:27 pm

    This is sickening stuff. And, these folks are certainly very confused about history. Are they suggesting that John S. Mosby is some kind of icon of their movement. They seem not to know what happened to him after the war when he fought tooth and nail against the Lost Cause mythology and had his home burned down because of his increasingly Republican views. His personal safety was so endangered that Grant appointed him ambassador to an Asian country so he could escape the U.S. political scene for awhile. After he returned to the USA he lived in California, at least in part because he was not very welcomed back in his native Virginia.

    One thing that worries me is that antisemitism is now fashionable on both the far-left and far-right. In the academy it is very virulent in some places. I hope we don’t see an unholy alliance develop between these two groups. Some in the Jewish community are very frightened about the increasing acceptance of Holocaust-deniers.

    We need to speak up against this kind of ignorant and hateful speech. I applaud you, Andy, for bringing this Hitchcock guy to our attention. He seems to hate anyone who is not his skin color. While he has a right to his opinion and his bigotry, we have a right to counter his ignorant speech with our truthful speech. And, if he ever tries to turn his hateful speech into any kind of action, he needs to be dealt with forcefully and swiftly.

  3. jclark82 said, on March 13, 2017 at 11:14 am

    I really can’t add much to what the other commenters have said, but as a fan of auto racing I can say that if Lacy thinks a nonpariel talent like Juan Montoya did anything to “ruin” NASCAR racing is someone in my opinion whose ability to reason is suspect. (As an aside, the crash he mentions came from a mechanical issue beyond his control.)

    These people are living stereotypes to the bigoted views they pretend to abhor.

    • Andy Hall said, on March 13, 2017 at 12:39 pm

      Juan Pablo Montoya’s wreck at the Daytona 500 was nothing more than an opportunity for Lacy to bitch about NASCAR’s effort to bring more diversity of drivers into the sport. (The program didn’t have a member make a Nationwide start until 2012.) Montoya was never part of that program; his first NASCAR race was in 2006, the year before the program was announced. And of course, he’d been racing Formula One cars for years before that, and won the Indianapolis 500 in 2000.

  4. Kristoffer said, on March 14, 2017 at 8:00 pm

    More on Kirk Lyons’ scumbaggery:

    • Andy Hall said, on March 15, 2017 at 9:54 am

      Lyons is, as they say, a real piece of work. In the late 1990s he started working to throw off his (well-earned) reputation of being the go-to representative of white supremacist groups — not only in his capacity as an attorney, but advocating for their ideas in the media generally — and that’s when he formed a partnership with H. K. Edgerton and became “trial counsel” for various Confederate heritage issues. Edgerton gives him cover (“my best friend is a black man!”) for his long-standing personal and professional associations with the Klan, Aryan Nations, etc., while Edgerton has made something of a second career being a performance artist for aggrieved white southerners through his association with Dewey Barber’s Southern Heritage 411.

      Lots more contemporary documentation of his history here:

  5. Msb said, on March 15, 2017 at 7:15 am

    The reason why it’s too easy to throw around labels like racist and anti-Semite is that so many people now seem proud to wear them.

  6. Andy Hall said, on March 15, 2017 at 9:45 am

    Yes, that’s been covered pretty thoroughly in recent years, e.g., :

    • Andy Hall said, on March 16, 2017 at 9:42 am

      I don’t post every comment that comes across the transom.

  7. bob carey said, on March 15, 2017 at 12:00 pm

    I wonder when Rep. Steve King will be a guest on the Hitchcock show. Seems like a natural.

  8. OhioGuy said, on March 15, 2017 at 7:01 pm

    Most of us know about this order. Grant was ashamed of it the rest of his life. He tried to make amends in many ways. Most historians, I think, believe that this order was an anomaly in the heat of war that really didn’t represent who the man was and the general thrust of his life’s work, which was to fight against discrimination. A friend of mine, Frank Scaturro, wrote a book on Grant’s presidency, which clearly shows the many actions of Grant that truly make him the “first Civil Rights president.” Those are my words, not Frank’s, but he agreed it was an accurate description in one of our personal conversation:

  9. C. Meyer said, on March 16, 2017 at 12:15 pm

    Been a long time since I have heard the name Clint Lacy. Apparently I wasn’t looking in the Anti-Semite crowd.

    • Andy Hall said, on March 16, 2017 at 5:21 pm

      As I said in the post, I happened on it by following a link on SHPG to Hughes’ interview, and found his there as well. That post has been up there for more than two weeks, BTW, and not one of the 5,300 or so members there has registered an objection to it. Whether than means they don’t have a problem with it, or perhaps don’t pay attention to postings to the group, I cannot say.

      I don’t know what Lacy’s personal views are, and I don’t much care one way or another. What’s important is what he says and does, and that’s plain for all to see and hear themselves — that he chose to do an hour-long interview on a website promoting books like Synagogue of Satan, Satan’s Banker, and Zionist Conspiracy, whose host praises the work of Holocaust deniers like Fred Leuchter, and Lacy listens to the host’s screed about Jewish conspiracies to destroy the white race, and all he says in response is, “yeah.”

    • Andy Hall said, on March 20, 2017 at 7:40 pm

      “With close to two dozen supporters. . .”


      • woodrowfan said, on March 21, 2017 at 2:51 pm

        Corey is from up here in northern Va. (well, he moved here from Minnesota) He made his name as a county supervisor attacking “illegal immigrants” which in his mind meant all Hispanics. His latest TV ad in his campaign for the republican nomination for governor looks like something from Der Sturmer. Just replace pictures of Jews with scary-looking tattooed men who look somewhat Latino. It’s amazing.

        • Andy Hall said, on March 21, 2017 at 3:09 pm

          That’s interesting. I hadn’t paid much attention to Stewart who, from this distance, doesn’t seem like a very strong candidate. The True Southrons are swooning all over him for his position on preserving Confederate monuments, of course, but I don’t think that’s going to win him a very wide base with the electorate generally.

          Especially interesting that he’s a Minnesota transplant to the Old Dominion. I’m old enough to remember the presidential election way back in ’16, when the Virginia Flaggers were circulating a Facebook meme that Tim Kaine ZOMG wasn’t even from Virginia!. But man, they do love them some Corey Stewart. What a buncha jackasses.

  10. OhioGuy said, on March 21, 2017 at 4:59 pm

    I was born in Minnesota and all my mother’s relatives live there. This man makes me ashamed of my Minnesota roots.

    • Andy Hall said, on March 21, 2017 at 5:24 pm

      They ran him out of the state as fast as they could.

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