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“Remember in November!”

Posted in Memory by Andy Hall on August 3, 2016

Found this recently on the Internet machine:




“Hitlerry.” Y’all keep it classy.

Tim Kaine was Governor of Virginia from January 14, 2006 to January 16, 2010. The flags were taken down under terms of the Virginia Museum of Fines Arts’ lease with a local SCV camp in June 2010, five months after Kaine left office. If either Tim Kaine or his successor, Bob McDonnell, had any direct involvement in the decision to remove the flags, I’ve never seen evidence of it.

Confederate Heritage™ is fueled by outrage and resentment; whether that anger is based on reality is immaterial. The Virginia Flaggers, whose catch phrase is “are you mad enough yet?” have learned this very well. But I’ve said it before — if you have to make stuff up to “defend” your heritage, it’s not worth defending.



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  1. Leo said, on August 5, 2016 at 2:13 pm

    I’ve noticed a lot of the “are you mad yet” rhetoric here in Mississippi on the state flag issue. It tends to ebb and flow with events in the news and really spiked when the state flag was removed at the DNC convention by city workers after a protest erupted in the streets over it being displayed near the convention hall.

    Some of the mental gymnastics by the heritage advocates were amusing but most were simply stupid.

    There was a pro confederate rally in Tupelo last weekend by a group called “Confederates United Patriots Society”. Andrew Duncomb was there for the press but no sign of Edgerton, so I assume Duncomb charges less.

    The Governor said he’s disappointed there won’t be another vote. I’m not sure what to make of his statement.

    • Andy Hall said, on August 5, 2016 at 5:26 pm

      Duncomb was there with Arlene Barnum, who I believe you may be familiar with. Swears he knows nothing about LoS racial views or alleged klansmen at Tupelo rally.

      • Leo said, on August 5, 2016 at 7:33 pm

        I find it hard to believe they didn’t know about the Klan at the rally. It’s been on social media and the Klan guy has a tv crew following him for a documentary. Go check out the Mississippi LoS Facebook page and read the comments.

        • Andy Hall said, on August 5, 2016 at 8:09 pm

          Kevin had a post recently called something like, “No More Questions for Confederate Flag Wavers.” He’s right, really. At this point people are feigning ignorance, and studiously avoid acknowledging what is often in plain sight (e.g., the crap people post on Facebook). The other day Arlene Barnum, a rising beard for the heritage crowd, posted a picture of herself on FB with a Confederate heritage protester whose own FB wall links to all sorts of Nazi and Aryan stuff. The “heritage” crowd is full of foul creatures like that, but it is (fortunately) getting increasingly difficult to plausibly claim they don’t know.

  2. Msb said, on August 5, 2016 at 4:07 pm

    Thanks for the reality check, Andy.

  3. bob carey said, on August 5, 2016 at 8:53 pm

    Gov. Kaine removing the flags from the VMFA after he left office. President Obama responsible for the death of Captain Khan in Iraq while he was a State Senator in Illinois. Me thinks that there is some sort of pattern here, find a hot button issue and then just start lying. These reactionaries should a least learn how to use a calendar.

    • Kristoffer said, on August 8, 2016 at 9:25 am

      Not correct on Pence’s statement. His statement was badly constructed, abruptly jumping from Captain Khan’s death to Obama and Hillary. He didn’t directly say that Captain Khan’s death was the result of Obama and Hillary’s policies, though it’s easy to misread it as such. I still don’t think much of Pence after his quoting what is likely a fake Lincoln quote.

      • Andy Hall said, on August 8, 2016 at 10:06 am

        I’m not sure Bob was referencing anything Mike Pence said. It was a Trump campaign spokesperson, Katrina Pierson, who said so explicitly.

        “It was under Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton that changed the rules of engagement that probably cost his life,” spokeswoman Katrina Pierson said in an interview Tuesday with CNN anchor Wolf Blitzer.

        Khan died during the presidency of George W. Bush, while Obama was a state senator in Illinois.

        Pierson’s statement was so ludicrously untrue that the Trump campaign didn’t bother trying to massage it, and took the almost unprecedented step of acknowledging that she’d been wrong.

        • bob carey said, on August 8, 2016 at 6:32 pm

          Andy and Kristoffer,
          I was referring to Ms. Pierson. My point is that a person employed, as a national campaign spokeswomen, should at least be aware of dates before she goes into attack mode.
          A little off topic here, but wouldn’t it be hilarious if Mrs. Clinton demanded to see Trumps’ birth certificate. I’m an New Yorker and a lot of us consider Queens to be a foreign land. LOL

          • Andy Hall said, on August 8, 2016 at 7:39 pm

            Pierson is really a piece of work. It seems while she was working full-time for various Tea Party interests in 2012 and 2013, giving seminars and speaking around the country on UN “Agenda 21” and creeping sharia law, she was also collecting unemployment here in Texas.


            • Leo said, on August 9, 2016 at 8:24 am

              What is it with ideologues?

              • Andy Hall said, on August 9, 2016 at 9:06 am

                But they also have short attention spans. A week from now they’ll be off of this and on something else entirely.

  4. woodrowfan said, on August 8, 2016 at 8:31 am

    well, bless their little flagger hearts. the poor dears are just not very bright….

    • daktsk said, on August 10, 2016 at 6:51 am

      Hell…………..they wear ignorance like a badge of honor. If you can make things up as you go along, and believe everything you read, you too can be a Flagger.

      • woodrowfan said, on August 10, 2016 at 8:51 pm

        well, they don’t believe everything they read. If it’s a book published by a university press, peer-reviewed, and written by an academic expert in the Civil War they don’t believe it. But dang, show them a meme published on Facebook and they eat it up!

  5. Leo said, on August 11, 2016 at 8:24 am

    This is slightly off topic, but I found the part about “motivated reasoning” most helpful.

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