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A Southern Sulk for Sunday

Posted in Memory by Andy Hall on December 27, 2015

If it’s a day that ends in Y, the True Southrons™ are feeling oppressed:




So the complaints are:

Boston gets to do this. We don’t.

Um, no. You certainly do “get to do this.” Indeed, you’ve done it. There have been at least two pro-Confederate flag, pro-secession rallies at the South Carolina State House in the last few months.

They have a mural still in their State House. We don’t (here in SC).

The mural in Boston dates back more than a century. If there’s nothing comparable in the South Carolina State House after all these years, whose fault is that, exactly? It’s not like y’all haven’t had time to get it done.

Can’t even have one Flag at the Soldiers’ Monument.

The flag was taken down by the elected representatives of the citizens of South Carolina, the same body that put it there in the first place. It was not imposed on y’all by anyone; it’s a testament to South Carolinians’ revanchist temperament (“too small for a republic. . . .”) that it lasted as long as it did.

For the love of God, stop whining.


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  1. Meg Groeling said, on December 27, 2015 at 2:59 pm

    But whining is what South Carolina does best!

  2. Jimmy Dick said, on December 27, 2015 at 4:08 pm

    Until the heritage types admit the cause of the Civil War was about slavery and reject the racism involved with the Confederacy and the confederate battle flag over time, they’re going to be stuck right where they are. The valor and courage of the soldiers are not in question. What is under attack is the lost cause lie which is about justifying the secession of eleven states through deliberately manufactured lies.

    The heritage crew refuses to accept the fact that confederate soldiers fought to preserve slavery. They refuse to accept the fact that the Confederacy was a rejection of democracy and instead was an attempt to entrench rule by an elite class which is what the American Revolution rejected. No matter how hard they try to insist the Confederacy was about preserving the Revolution, it was not. Those that chose secession were rebelling against egalitarianism which as Gordon Wood has stated, was one of the principles that emerged from the Revolution.

    The Confederacy was a rejection of that principle, therefore it cannot have been in accordance with the Revolution. Today’s heritage folks for the most part don’t understand that. They do not want too either. They prefer to maintain the rotten foundation of their belief structure. That’s too bad because I am doing everything in my power to kick that lie out from underneath them.

  3. OhioGuy said, on December 27, 2015 at 6:13 pm

    These “heritage types” seem to have not gotten several memos:

    1. They were on the losing side;

    2. Whether or not their ancestors owned slaves, they were fighting to preserve a system whose cornerstone was slavery;

    3. The state’s right that the South seceded over was the right to own another person as property; and

    4. The CBF was adopted by the KKK post-war and that taint coupled with its original meaning as the banner of disunion cannot ever be erased no matter how hard they try. .

    • bob carey said, on December 28, 2015 at 1:33 pm

      I would add one more:
      South Carolina started a civil war which caused approximately 700,000 deaths. One would think that they would think twice about commemorating this

  4. Pat Young said, on December 28, 2015 at 1:37 pm

    I did not know that Boston Public Radio was around in the 1860s.

    • woodrowfan said, on January 2, 2016 at 8:06 pm

      “Carriage Talk” with the brothers Clip and Clop was all the rage.

      • Andy Hall said, on January 2, 2016 at 8:10 pm


        • woodrowfan said, on January 4, 2016 at 4:53 pm

          thank you, I’ll be here all week. Enjoy the buffet and don’t forget to tip your waitress!!

      • Buck Buchanan said, on January 4, 2016 at 12:21 pm

        ***golf clap***

  5. Leo said, on December 28, 2015 at 2:16 pm

    “They have a mural still in their State House. We don’t (here in SC).”

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t there a Confederate relic room somewhere in Charleston?

    • Andy Hall said, on December 28, 2015 at 3:01 pm

      It’s in Columbia. That’s where the flag from the State House is going to be displayed.

      The distinction that the True Southrons make, largely subconsicously IMO, is that by removing it from the State House grounds and placing it in a museum, it (like so many other statues and monuments) loses the imprimatur of official endorsement by governments or public institutions. It relegates the Confederacy to the past, no longer the present, and that makes them set their hair on fire.

      • Leo said, on December 28, 2015 at 3:23 pm

        I’ve never thought of it that way, but I think you are right!

        • bob carey said, on December 29, 2015 at 2:05 pm

          Great point Andy. They can’t handle the fact that the Confederacy was wrong.
          One reason that South Carolina cannot have a re-enactment returning the regimental flags to their statehouse is that these flags were in the possession of the Union Army. You cannot re-enact an event that never occurred.

          • Andy Hall said, on December 29, 2015 at 2:59 pm

            They’ll always find something to whine about. A couple of years ago, around the time of the sesqui of the Gettysburg Address, they were complaining that President Lincoln didn’t pay the same homage and tribute to the Confederate dead as he did the U.S. dead. In 1863.

            • bob carey said, on December 30, 2015 at 4:52 am

              Perhaps Dave Wills should have invited Jefferson Davis to say a “few appropriate remarks”. They could have added a rostrum along the Emmitsburg Road.

            • Leo said, on December 30, 2015 at 8:19 am

              This is a little off topic, but I found it funny given how the heritage crown whines about not having their view given an official stamp of approval. A couple of heritage groups in Mississippi (Midsouth flaggers & Save our Symbols) are crowing about Karen cooper making the top 10 in the Onion.

              These people are desperate!

              • Andy Hall said, on December 30, 2015 at 9:00 am

                I hadn’t seen that before now, thanks. I honestly don’t think the Mid-South Flaggers understand that becoming a real-life Onion story is something to crow about.

                What news on the Anthony Hervey investigation? I haven’t heard anything for months.

  6. Leo said, on December 28, 2015 at 2:19 pm

    I suppose I should also add there is a monument to the Confederate dead on just about every courthouse lawn in the Deep South.

  7. Leo said, on December 28, 2015 at 2:28 pm

    Another one…

    I didn’t know John Brown killed “southrons for plunder”. I thought he tried to start a slave revolt, and who is to say all the troops at the U.S. armory in Harper’s Ferry were Southrons?

    • Andy Hall said, on December 29, 2015 at 2:37 pm

      That’s OK. Not all Civil War soldiers from South Carolina were Confederates, either. The True Southrons ignore that, as well.

      • OhioGuy said, on December 29, 2015 at 3:00 pm

        Like the 1st South Carolina (USA):

        I’m not sure if it was this regiment or another SC colored regiment that built Ft. Howell on Hilton Head Island to protect Mitchelville, an African American town, the remnants of which still exist and can be easily visited today on your next trip to HHI.

      • Leo said, on December 30, 2015 at 8:22 am

        I just discovered the First Mississippi Mounted Rifles a couple of years ago. I knew about the various USCT units from Mississippi, but never one made up of white Mississippians. I love making discoveries like this!

  8. Leo said, on December 30, 2015 at 9:34 am

    I tried posting this directly to your comment, but couldn’t for some reason:

    I think there is a petition circulating online in local heritage circles to have the Justice Department open a civil rights investigation on Antony’s automobile accident.

    Beyond that little bit, there really has not been much of note happen. The MHP investigation did not turn up any evidence of a chase or a mysterious silver car with five black men in it. I talked to the editor of a local paper and this person suspicious of Barnum’s story, as are most locals.

  9. Pat Young said, on December 31, 2015 at 11:57 am

    Happy New Year Andy.

    • Andy Hall said, on December 31, 2015 at 12:24 pm

      And to you and yours, Pat!

      I hope you have plenty of black-eyed peas ready for tomorrow.

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