Dead Confederates, A Civil War Era Blog


Posted in Memory by Andy Hall on November 6, 2013

Small stories that don’t warrant posts of their own:


  • When my colleague Rob Baker questioned Monticello’s reference to the American Revolution as secession, one of their staff replied that the American Colonies were part of “a federal union,” and were “semi-sovereign polities who agreed to offer loyalty to the British crown in exchange for protection from the British king.” That’s just nuckin’ futs.
  • David Barton, Glenn Beck’s favorite historian, is telling friends he doesn’t really want to run for office, but may be “drafted” to primary “Big John” Cornyn in 2014. Pass the popcorn.
  • Scott Manning gives us a tour of a much older battlefield — Agincourt.
  • U.S.S. Forrestal, the first of the U.S. Navy’s “supercarriers,” was sold to a Brownsville scrapping yard for 1¢.
  • Couple weeks back, Buncombe, County, North Carolina precinct chairman Don Yelton got thoroughly skewered by The Daily Show after giving an interview in which he said that newly-passed voter ID laws would primarily impact “a bunch of lazy blacks that want the government to give them everything.” You’ll never guess in a million years who’s now come to Yelton’s defense. (OK, you probably guessed already.)
  • edgerton3Speaking of Edgerton, I recently came across an image I’d read about, but never seen. It shows Edgerton, the odious Kirk Lyons and his brother-in-law, Neill Payne, at a restaurant wearing napkins on their heads and hamming it up as klansmen (right). Edgerton was president of the local NAACP chapter at the time, and its publication in the Asheville Citizen-Times in March 1998 apparently raised serious doubts about his judgement. Lyons and Payne were at that time principals in the soon-to-be-shuttered white-identity CAUSE Foundation (Canada, Australia, United States, South Africa, Europe). The restautant photo was one of a number of issues that caused the state NAACP organization to push Edgerton out the next year. By January 2000, under Lyons’ and Payne’s mentoring, Edgerton was appearing at rallies with his Confederate flag shtick. I suppose you might say this photo represents the birth of H. K. Edgerton, Confederate activist/performance artist/beard.
  • You’d think that the guy who used to run the National Security Agency would be smart enough not to give a telephone interview to a reporter as an anonymous source (“on background,” as they say), while riding on a crowded commuter train. You’d be wrong.
  • A well-known CW shop in Gettysburg has recovered $28,000 in merchandise allegedly stolen by a former employee. Unfortunately, that’s only a fraction of what may have been taken.
  • In New Orleans, the U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals heard the SCV’s appeal of an earlier district court ruling, that backed Texas’ denial of the group’s request for specialty license plates. I still think the SCV’s going to win this one.
  • I’m looking forward to reading Robert Hilburn’s Johnny Cash: The Life. It sounds fantastic.


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  1. Rob Baker said, on November 6, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    Thanks for the nod Andy, I feel like the evolution of H.K. Edgerton would be a great narrative.

  2. Valerie said, on November 6, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    Yeah, I’m looking forward to the Johnny Cash book as well. It’s time for a good bio on The Man in Black.

  3. Billy Bearden said, on November 8, 2013 at 7:30 am

    So, as predicted , the Museum of the Confederacy is no more.
    Truly a sad day indeed (for the collection, for the dreams and hopes of those who gave precious and priceless artifacts – NOT for Waite Rawls, III)
    To those who enabled this to happen, and to defend Rawls, shame on you.
    The Flaggers long saw this coming….

    • Andy Hall said, on November 8, 2013 at 10:29 am

      Provide specific details, Billy, that can be independently verified.

      By the way, what are the “repugnant” acts Tripp Lewis is alleged to have done that got him suspended from the Virginia Division of the SCV? Do those involve the MoC, as has been suggested? I’m sure you’ll say you don’t know, and I’m equally sure you do.

      • Billy Bearden said, on November 8, 2013 at 6:48 pm

        No, whatever Tripp is accused of doing, it is not involving anything regarding MoC.
        Specifics of the MoC? If I knew the deets, I would shout it from the rooftops. Just be aware that
        a vote was taken, the vote was against what we now know as the MoC, it will begin to be visible in 2 weeks, and the MoC will cease to exist. Rawls has run the MoC into the dirt, if anyone had been listening to
        what the activists in the SCV and the Flaggers have been saying since beginning in 2005, really loudly since 2007, and shouting since Appomattox.

        • Andy Hall said, on November 8, 2013 at 7:29 pm

          Shorter for you to type, “I’m just repeating a rumor I heard somewhere.”

          • Billy Bearden said, on November 10, 2013 at 10:33 am

            Well, Andy, good friend, although I have seen the internal memo, and seen emails from insiders, if having me type “I’m just repeating a rumor I heard somewhere” will help you sleep better at night, then OK – just for you…

        • Jimmy Dick said, on November 8, 2013 at 8:17 pm

          If you want a Museum of the Lost Cause so bad just go start one. I’m sure China will be happy to make as many CBFs as you need.

    • Jimmy Dick said, on November 8, 2013 at 1:55 pm

      No more? That’s odd. I just visited the website and it was up and running just fine.

  4. H. E. Parmer said, on November 9, 2013 at 12:25 am

    •You’d think that the guy who used to run the National Security Agency would be smart enough not to give a telephone interview to a reporter as an anonymous source […] while riding on a crowded commuter train.

    Actually, no, I wouldn’t think that. Just because someone’s adept at ascending a particular hierarchy, it doesn’t necessarily guarantee they’re the sharpest tool in the shed. Especially when we were talking about an organization riddled with incompetence, cronyism and incipient Big-Brother impulses. Arrogance and stupidity could be positive assets in his line of work.

    As for Mr. H. K. Edgerton, I can only hope his dreams are nightly haunted by the ghosts of Emmet Till and every other victim of the Klan. It does make you wonder what it must feel like to flush every last bit of decency and self-respect down the toilet.

  5. Billy Bearden said, on November 17, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Confederate Capital evacuated again…this time by Scalawags…

    Click to access moc2.pdf

    The Va Flaggers are deeply frustrated and saddened to report that plans to liquidate the Museum of the Confederacy have, indeed, moved forward.

    We learned last week that Waite Rawls’ plan (as outlined in the attached internal memo) was approved by the Board of Trustees. We suspect he has been perfecting the spin he will put on the situation, and that an announcement will soon be forthcoming.

    In the memo, Rawls speaks of the “50 year transformation of MOC from shrine to modern, educational institution”. No surprise here, as Mr. Rawls has repeatedly made attempts to remove the name “Confederacy” from the Museum, as reported here in 2007..

    He purports that the liquidation is necessary as it “solves ongoing financial problems.” and “Pays off debt to White House Endowment, Farmers’ Bank, First Union Bank”. It seems that the legacy of our Confederate Ancestors has been hocked…and the memory and honor of our Confederate ancestors will be traded for 30 pieces of silver.

    He admits that “Appomattox, while a “mission” success, has not been enough of a financial success to bail out Richmond”. One can only wonder how his obstinate, pc-driven refusal to fly a Confederate flag on the grounds, and the serious fall out as a result, factors into this part of the equation.

    What the Va Flaggers DO NOT find in this document, is any mention of the MEN…the Confederate Soldiers whose honor and memory the women of the Ladies’ Hollywood Memorial Association obtained the White House of the Confederacy and opened a museum there to forever memorialize our Confederate dead…

    1892…RICHMOND — “The theatre whereupon President Davis – acted his noblest part; Richmond, the head and heart of the Confederacy, the defense of which called forth the most brilliant exploits of Lee and Jackson — is the place of all others in the South where should be collected the records, memorials, and relics of the war.

    Here only can be found all that belongs to the history of the Army of Northern Virginia. Here, in the White House of the Confederacy, the women of Virginia have established a grand Memorial Hall, and they appeal to every man and woman in the South to join them in their efforts to rescue the fragments of individual heroism and endurance,
    fast floating away to oblivion, to gather in the tattered, rusty mementoes of our Lost Cause, and commit them to the keep- ing of the Confederate Memorial Literary Society now fully equipped to guard such treasures. Let the faded cap
    of the Lieutenant,* killed while leading a charge, be laid.

    * Lieut. W. J. Sims, Company A, 23d Virginia Infantry. Killed Sharpsburg, September 17, 1862.”

    – Confederate Memorial Literary Society: historiae et reliquiarum custodia: in memoriam sempiternam

    From their website: “The Mission of the Museum and White House of the Confederacy is to serve as the preeminent world center for the display, study, interpretation, commemoration, and preservation of the history and artifacts of the Confederate States of America.”

    For those of you who may not be aware, the entities listed in the memo (attached) are The American Civil War Center at Historic Tredegar, The Virginia Historical Society, and the National Park Service.

    The American Civil War Center at Historic Tredegar describes itself as “the nation’s first museum to interpret the Civil War from Union, Confederate, and African American perspectives.” While we have no issue with any organization interpreting the WBTS however they wish, for their purposes, ALL SOUTHERNERS should have a SERIOUS problem putting the artifacts and treasures that were donated by our Confederate ancestors and their descendants into their hands. OUR history needs to be interpreted by those who honor and respect our veterans, and our treasures protected by those who hold them dear.

    These are the same folks who erected a statue to Lincoln, and refused to accept one of Jefferson Davis.

    While we wait for Mr. Rawls’ announcement, the Va Flaggers will continue to make a presence at the Museum in Richmond, keep our ears to the ground, and were thrilled to learn that as of TODAY a Confederate Flag is flying just a few feet from the Museum at Appomattox, on the same land where we gathered to protest the grand opening, thanks to Va Flagger Willie Wells and the Mechanized Cavalry.

    God bless the men of the Mechanized Cavalry!

    Meanwhile, back in Richmond, we wait for the pending announcement…with foreboding… and a sense that Richmond will soon be burning again… scorched from the lies and betrayal by those who were entrusted with the legacy of our gallant Confederate ancestors.

    • Andy Hall said, on November 17, 2013 at 10:55 am

      1. Tredegar is in Richmond.

      2. Grayson Jennings either doesn’t understand the meaning of the word “liquidate,” or he’s intentionally misrepresenting the nature of this move.

      3. “Thirty pieces of silver,” really? It’s perfectly typical that the Virginia Flaggers want to view themselves as Christ-like martyrs.

    • Andy Hall said, on November 17, 2013 at 10:52 am

      I read it already.

      • Jimmy Dick said, on November 18, 2013 at 9:45 am

        If anything the Flaggers are part of the problem. How many visitors do they drive away by standing around lying to people about the Civil War? No one is interested in a Museum of the Lost Cause where facts are ignored in favor of a false heritage that is built upon lies. People are just tired of seeing ignorant racists wave a flag.

        • Andy Hall said, on November 19, 2013 at 1:05 pm

          I’d love to see some professional polling data on how the Flaggers are perceived in Richmond as a whole.

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